Ashwin Bhatnagar ([info]ashwinb) wrote,
@ 2006-03-16 12:29:00
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Ternary Logic
*Inspired from late night conversations with [info]fursatkeraatdin (and a little help from Bacardi Ice) and various interactions with loved ones.



We all go through distinct phases in our lives which we may then attempt to classify via numerous properties. Here is an attempt to chart out my journey from the realms of binary to ternary logic.

For the longest time, I have believed in the simplicity of yes/no. The simplicity of being able to think in binary. The simplicity of being able to act in binary. And yet, I was (and still am) confronted at many points in time by people (whom I love immensely) who use the phrase 'I don't know'. And I for one, just don't get this. How can you say that? Especially when it comes to making important decisions? Does one just get up in the morning, hallucinate a pink rabbit which tells the person in question which path to take? Or is it actually a game of heads-I-do-this-tails-I-do-that?

To me, the phrase 'I don't know' has come to symbolize escapism.

To me, the phrase 'I don't know' has come to symbolize the mindset of a person not interested in pushing the boundaries of his/her thought process.

I have always believed in the power of thought. Think hard enough, ask yourself the right questions and the answer will come. You just have to be brave enough to face reality. The introduction of the phrase 'I don't know' can be looked upon as an automatic inhibitor to asking yourself the right questions. It's almost like an unlimited free get-out-of-jail card.

Though, as often happens with age and experience, the thought process changes and in most cases tempers. So has mine, as of late. I will now go so far as to accept ternary logic with specific restrictions being place on the third component. And what is this third component you ask?

Answer: I don't know, but I will try and find out.

There is a difference, and a not so subtle one at that.

As is obvious, ternary logic of any form is far weaker when compared to the described binary logic. But I am willing to accept a thought process which tells me, "Look, I do not have the answers right now, but what you are asking are valid questions. Let me ponder over the same and get back to you". The chance that even this may yet slide into the escapism black hole is one I am willing to take. Let me put it this way; ternary logic of the above form is an acceptable compromise. An acceptable compromise by an individual who wishes to co-exist.

Any further, and I fear that the individual may seriously start considering early sainthood as his only viable option.




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[info]the_strangest
2006-03-16 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Why "ternary" and not "tertiary"?

And I agree that "I don't know" is a way to remove yourself from the process of questioning, but I don't think that everybody always has to question everything. Sometimes it's okay to say "I don't know" and move on. If someone asked me right now what the shortest method is to convert dihydrocholoxymethanol to acetaminophen, I would say "I don't know," and not "I don't know but I will try and find out." And I think that's perfectly okay. :)

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[info]ashwinb
2006-03-16 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Why "ternary" and not "tertiary"?

Answer

The post was made with the following assumptions:
- Questions are asked with a relevant purpose in mind
- Questions asked are agreed upon being important by the parties involved

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[info]the_strangest
2006-03-16 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough, and fair enough. :) {}

But man, I can't tell you how many times in NPS neither of those two assumptions held true.

Example: "A man is walking SE from the market to the bus-stop. It begins to rain. There is a NE wind blowing at 7 mph, causing the rain to hit the ground at 60 degrees to the perpendicular. At what angle should he hold his umbrella if he has just purchased artichokes?"

I mean, come on! :)

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[info]manubhardwaj
2006-03-17 05:21 am UTC (link)
Umm, 42 degrees?

No seriously, I love this question. It brings back such fond memories of NPS!

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[info]kingsly
2006-03-17 06:29 am UTC (link)
because it's the answer to life, the universe, and everything ?

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[info]manubhardwaj
2006-03-17 07:32 am UTC (link)
That's why I said 42. Did you think I actually solved it, then? :D

(If you did, I used the artichokes to add a mild wind resistance factor. In NPS, they taught us that as well.)

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[info]mekin
2006-03-17 04:20 am UTC (link)
Another valid answer could be :
I dont know and I dont care

When you do care about a question/answer .. you better find all the data possible about it ..

Sometimes though .. the questions are seeking predictions as an answer .. and that has a big factor of uncertainty with them ..

examples:
loved_one : Will you be my side whenever I need you
lover : Yes of course .. ( unless I die .. or am stuck in traffic .. or cant get to your side ..)

closer to my heart:
Will I enjoy being an entrepreneur ?

I really dont know .. i think i will .. but i wont know .. till i have tried ..

Not completely in the same vein .. but thought these views of mine were somewhat related ..

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[info]ankitaprasad
2006-03-17 04:30 am UTC (link)
"lover : Yes of course .. ( unless I die .. or am stuck in traffic .. or cant get to your side ..)"

I died laughing!

As for "I don't know" I have come to hate that term. My rant in yours, battu.

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[info]ashwinb
2006-03-17 05:19 am UTC (link)
I dont know and I dont care
Refer above assumptions

Sometimes though .. the questions are seeking predictions as an answer .. and that has a big factor of uncertainty with them ..

See, this is what I am talking about. I really do believe that it is possible to take the uncertainty bit and throw it out of the window. Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, all you you need to is change the question/viewpoint.

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[info]mekin
2006-03-17 05:25 am UTC (link)
With the assumptions .. the i dont care goes away ..
& the answer should be (as you say) "I dont know .. i'll find out"

as for the uncertainty involved in questions that seek predictions .. I am not sure I follow ..

we could change the question from :
loved_one : Will you be my side whenever I need you
to
loved_one : Will you want to be my side whenever I need you

and then we get to the binary state ...
but then the quizmasters (or quiz-mistresses) of life arent that easy on you :)

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[info]ashwinb
2006-03-17 06:36 am UTC (link)
but then the quizmasters (or quiz-mistresses) of life arent that easy on you :)

And I never said they were, but then perhaps that is the individual's choice to make. Eye of the beholder and all that.

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Music
[info]fatmuttony
2006-03-17 04:52 am UTC (link)
Music is one of the many instances in life where not knowing can be an advantage. Often times, you'll find novice musicians (esp guitarists) coming up with beautiful (but quaint) chords with relative ease.

In a more defined example, when doing an improv solo, it is almost always better to have some vague conception of what you are about to attempt, but not know exactly what that is. This kind of playing tends to produce the most interesting solos.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are many situations in life that can be resolved easier by binary logic (e.g. should I wear jeans today?) and there are others that work much better with ternary logic (e.g. which mode should this next excursion go through before landing on A-minor?) and many others that work better with no logic at all (e.g. is there a God? What is postmodernism?). It's the whole left-brain right-brain balance thing I guess.

When we occupy a largely analytical space in our work lives we tend to think that the analytical approach to life works very well. But, as anyone who has been through heartbreak will tell you, analysis can be hopelessly inadequate in many situations.

So, is binary logic better than ternary logic? I guess I don't know...

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Re: Music
[info]ashwinb
2006-03-17 06:29 am UTC (link)
Interesting. Though I must say, that the intention with which the post was made really concerned interactions between the human kind.

Nevertheless, very interesting.

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Re: Music
[info]fatmuttony
2006-03-20 07:27 am UTC (link)
Ok, to stretch the same logic into human-human reaction. Imagine a group of musicians playing together. Usually, the method is to get all musicians to understand a song, memorize their bits, and then perform the song together. In this case, everyone 'knows'.

Then, along came a band called Phish (don't know if you've heard them) that challenged this notion of how music should be performed. Imagine Whose Line Is It Anyway? applied to music. All the four musicians of this band had pracised together for so long and so often that they devised the first jam-band. What is a jam band? A jam band typically starts of playing a pre-arranged sequence of chords, melodies, or whatever, and at some point of time, everyone starts doing their own thing, without knowing what the other person is about to do. And, if you listen to them, you will often notice that some of their jams are much more refreshing, exploratory and recklessly creative than what could be achieved through careful planning and arrangement.

Basically, they took apart the notion that all good music has to be carefully rehearsed, and practised, and arranged. They took apart the notion that I don't know was a bad thing. I've tried jamming with other musicians, and not knowing exactly what's going to happen, and finding yourself dragged (drawn is a better word) in directions that you might not have explored yourself, and realizing that you were three times as creative as you have ever been simply because you had to let go of all the reserves of analysis that you usually lean on, is a mindblowing feeling.

I just thought of another analogy where not knowing is a good thing... but it might sound cliched, so I'll leave it out for now. GIve Phish a listen, and tell me what you think.

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Re: Music
[info]ashwinb
2006-03-20 07:37 am UTC (link)
I heard Phish courtesy Strange Brew (they performed the 'Down with Disease' number). 'Farmhouse' is another one of my favourite numbers by the same (Phish that is).

I agree with what ever you have said. But I believe that what you have written tends to be more towards what I am trying to say: I don't know but I will try to find out/but let's try to find out/let's work together to get somewhere.

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Re: Music
[info]piyuroy
2006-03-17 08:32 am UTC (link)
very interesting.
Though I agree with what Ashwin believes but this is the most thought provoking argument; humankind or otherwise.

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[info]1pi00te005
2006-03-17 06:04 pm UTC (link)
So you have, or will/can have all the information you need AND the mental faculties to be able to process it all to come to the 'right' conclusion everytime AND NOTHING is determined purely by luck or chance?

I don't think any of these 3 holds. While it might help my ego to beleive it - I don't believe it.

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[info]ashwinb
2006-03-17 11:18 pm UTC (link)
The interactions that I am talking about are between two (or more) individuals. Luck/Chance has nothing to do with straightforward questions.

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